Will Fresno FC bring people downtown?

I’m not a fan of flashy “silver bullet” projects that promise to revitalize depressed areas. Most recently, Fresno promised that removing the Fulton Mall and turning it into Fulton Street would revitalize the area. That hasn’t happened. Fifteen years ago, Chukchansi Park was sold with the same promise. Build a new stadium,, and people will come downtown to watch AAA baseball!

Well, sort of. People do go to the stadium to attend events and Grizzlies games. But they drive in, park across the street, watch the event, and then drive away ASAP.

Currently, most stadium attendees drive in and out without visiting local businesses.

That shouldn’t have come as a surprise, for a number of reasons.

For one, baseball is a pretty self-contained event. The whole tradition is to spend a few hours in the ballpark, eating hot-dogs, drinking beer, and chatting. The team in turn encourages this by selling ticket packages that include concessions, or advertising cheap beer. That doesn’t lend itself to supporting local business.

Secondly, baseball fans are old. According to this, the average MLB viewer in 2016 was 57, older than typical NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLS fans. Those older fans are also going to be less likely to give downtown Fresno a chance, and be less interested in engaging in some kind of pub-crawl and such. Walking around downtown at 9pm? Heavens no!

And on top of that, losing affiliation with San Francisco hasn’t helped. Grizzly attendance is down since that happened. In 2017, they averaged 6,208 fans per game, down from 7,430 a decade earlier.

So what about the new professional soccer team, Fresno FC? Will it revitalize downtown?

No, but I think it will be more helpful in moving the dial than the Grizzlies were. As a bonus, it’s good to see that the expensive stadium will get more use.

USL Soccer

If your not familiar with how professional soccer is structured in the US, here’s a quick primer:

Major League Soccer (MLS), is the top league, or division one. They’re the one you can watch on ESPN, and they pay big bucks to famous players.

United Soccer League (USL) is 2nd division, sort of like AAA baseball, which is where the Grizzlies sit. There’s a couple of differences though. In baseball, AAA teams are closely tied to a major league team, and act as a training ground. That’s pretty much their purpose, prepare players for their MLB affiliate team. Players come and go depending on what the MLB team needs.

In soccer, that’s not really the case. Around the world, teams can move between divisions via promotion and relegation. Do badly in division 1, and down you go. Do well in division 2, and up you go. Not so in the US. In the US, you buy your way up, like in the NFL and the other pro-leagues.

Essentially, in the US, USL exists so secondary cities, like Fresno, can have professional soccer. Now, while USL teams do affiliate with MLS teams, they don’t act as a training ground at all.

On top of that, there is USl2, which sits below USL in the third division. In the US, this is sort of a dumb level. Not much going on here. If Visalia got a team, it would probably be USL2.

PDL (and a few other leagues) are fourth division, where the Fresno Fuego played. These folks are semi-pro. They’re pretty different because they mostly just play their games in the summer, and the teams are primarily staffed by college players who need to stay fresh while they are on vacation. The rest of the team is filled in by players who do get paid, but just barely. There are tons of fourth division teams all over the country. They’re not very stable, and the Fresno Fuego were one of the most successful teams, both in performance and attendance. That team will continue to live on as the Fresno FC Under 23s. (Which I’m not a fan of, Fresno Fuego was a good name and brand).

I know in Fresno, a lot of people were disappointed when they read that we were getting a professional team…but not MLS. The expectation was that the team would be a lot like the Grizzlies. However, there’s one key difference between AAA Baseball and USL Soccer:

The Grizzlies will never play the SF Giants.

But Fresno FC will most likely play real competitive games against MLS teams like the LA Galaxy. 

Real Competition

Fresno Fuego vs Chivas USA, a now defunct MLS team, in March 2010.

In soccer, teams play their regular season against teams in their division. So Fresno will play other USL teams like Las Vegas, Sacramento, Reno, Phoenix, and Orange County on a consistent basis.

But on top of that, there is the “US Open Cup.” This is a tournament open to ALL soccer teams in the US. Really, all of them. If you and your buddies want to get a team together, you could potentially qualify (but it’s a long road!).

In fact, Fresno Fuego qualified for the tournament in 2003, 2012, 2014, and 2017.

And in 2003, Fresno Fuego played against the LA Galaxy (and lost 1-3).

For the Fuego, qualifying was tough. Qualification rules varied by year, but essentially they had to win their PDL division to qualify. Once in, they had to play a few rounds with lower level teams before matching with an MLS team.

For Fresno FC, qualification to the US Open Cup will be automatic, every year. And USL teams skip the lower levels.

For reference, in 2003, Fresno beat the Chico Rooks (an amateur team), the Utah Blitz (3rd division), El Paso Patriots (USL), and then matched with the LA Galaxy.

In 2014 and 2012, Fresno beat amateur teams before losing to USL teams.

Fresno FC will likely start off against a PDL team, and then get matched with a MLS team. If they win, likely another MLS team.

That’s real competition against teams with big names. And if Fresno FC manages to win the cup, they get entered into the CONCACAF Champions League, which includes the best teams from all over North America. I’m not saying that’s likely…but in 2009, the USL team Montreal Impact reached the quarter finals, and attracted 55,000 people to their match against Santos Laguna from Mexico.

Aside from the US Open Cup, USL teams do attract MLS teams for pre-season friendly matches, and can also book international teams. Fuego had some success setting up matches against teams from Mexico, and it will be a lot easier for Fresno FC, as a professional team, to keep doing that. Fuego also hosted a couple of games against MLS teams, but I think it was really just twice. For Fresno FC, expect it every year.

Basically, more important games against bigger name teams mean that MORE people will be coming downtown to the games. I think Fresno FC will easily start beating the Grizzlies in attendance.

If you want to learn more about the US Open Cup, this website is a great resource. 108 amateur teams entered qualifying, with 94 teams playing the main tournament.

The First Round will feature all 52 amateur clubs with the 26 winners advancing to Round 2 (May 16) where they will be joined by all 22 United Soccer League clubs. Defending champion Sporting Kansas City and the rest of the Major League Soccer clubs will join the competition in the Fourth Round (June 4-5), where they will be joined by 12 Third Round winners.

Soccer Culture

2018 Fresno FC Schedule

Attendance means nothing if people continue to drive in, watch the game, and drive out. Fortunately, Fresno FC has two things going for it that the Grizzlies don’t:

  1. Younger fans
  2. Pre- and post-game drinking

Previously, I mentioned that the average MLB fan is 57. That same article notes that the average MLS fan is 40. I think that’s a significant difference in perception towards downtown and also in extending the game-day experience.

Additionally, unlike baseball which has constant breaks where you can go get food and drinks without missing anything, soccer just has a single 15 minute-halftime.

That means those looking to eat and drink tend to do so before the game. And that’s great news for places like Tioga-Sequoia and other businesses within walking distance. Sure, some people will tailgate in the parking lot, but I think enough people will choose to hit a bar to make a notable difference. If other planned bars do open, I can certainly seeing a pre-game culture opening up.

The team itself is trying to encourage this. For the March games, $15 gets you a ticket to the game and a beer at Tioga.

Longer Season

….whic brings up one more point. The Fresno Fuego season was pretty much late May to early September. As stated previously, because they depend on college players, they have to keep it short.

USL starts on March 16 and ends on October 14, with playoffs after that. That means more opportunities to watch games that aren’t held on 110f degree days!  That’s a longer season than the Grizzlies.

Fresno FC has their first ever season game this Saturday at 7pm. Let’s hope the team can give downtown the boost that the Grizzlies could not.

Check out this Fresno Bee article which also takes a look at some of the team details, like the coach, the players, and the owners. Oh, by the way, the coach previously led San Jose, Chicago, and the Galaxy!

12 Replies to “Will Fresno FC bring people downtown?”

  1. Great read! And an interesting concept about the age thing. USL fans are more typical of the younger millennial type crowd that are more open to hanging out in DTF.

  2. while clovis has nothing. When fresno teams were thriving, fuego, grizzlies, and in the future fresno fc, thats when all of a sudden Clovis residents are proud to associate with fresno.

      1. And Clovis fest, and Big Hat days! Lol. But I think redd was more talking about semi pro sports stuff.

  3. Good summary of the PDL to USL move. I think you hit the nail on the head when you explained how the USL and AAA are both second division leagues, but that the similarities really end there. Look at teams like FC Cincinnati, Louisville, Sac, and Indianapolis, which regularly attract close to 10,000 fans (Cincinnati is over the 20,000 fan mark)…no AAA baseball team is like that. Look at the pride for USL teams…fans in those places see their teams as representing their city, not representing major league teams.

    Fresno actually already played the Galaxy this year (not in Fresno, but Santa Barbara), and it’s likely they will play at least 1-2 MLS teams like them per year in friendlies, and maybe 1-2 per year in the US Open Cup, depending on how good they do.

    Also, good point about baseball not really lending itself to going out before and after the game…I would imagine less than 10% of baseball attendees go out in Downtown Fresno, while, for Fresno FC fans, that sort of thing is ingrained and really a part of the overall experience. I would estimate that at least 50% of Fresno FC fans will patronize at least one Downtown Fresno business on game nights (with Tioga Sequoia seeing the most benefit), and at least 20% will patronize at least two. So, yes, I think that Downtown Fresno will see a boost from Fresno FC, particularly the bars and restaurants that are located within a short walk of the stadium (Tioga, HOP/PK, Los Panchos, and the new breweries going in in the South Stadium district).

    Finally, I think you will see something at Fresno FC matches that you almost never see at Grizzlies games: opposing fans. There were about 20 Las Vegas fans at the match last weekend, and for teams that are closer, or have a larger fan base, with Sac being the biggest example, I think you will see at least couple hundred opposing fans attending. These fans WILL patronize local businesses because they don’t really have any other options. So, add that to the mix.

    1. Good point on attendance and away fans. AAA really has zero tradition of travelling to see your team. best case is youre somewhere for business and your home team is in town.

      Youll definitely see fans from Vegas and Sacramento coming and maybe staying the night. Sacramento fans can even take the train

  4. Half season update: aside from the usual crowd at Tioga, Los Panchos is definitely busier before matches, and there are always a few tables of people wearing Fresno FC gear at HOP/PK on game days as well. Also, there have been at least 5-10 opposing fans at most matches, with SRFC bringing in a busload of about 30 opposing fans into DT Fresno last Saturday. That said, there is no way even half of the 4,500ish fans at every match are patronizing businesses downtown. Of course no city ever gets 100% of fans to pre/post game around a stadium, but I think getting 1/3-1/2 of those fans to at least buy a drink somewhere near the stadium would be a reasonable goal.

    1. Thanks for the update! Hopefully they make the playoffs to really kick the buzz up, especially since cooler games might attract more fans. Right now they’re on the line to qualify,

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